rich thank you for coming forward with your statement. the pantywaist comment not needed but i would never reveal a source from you or anyone that tells me their thoughts ! and my friend who gave me their thoughts will be kept secret until they decide to chime in. 
rich makes a bold statement that i agree with totally ! so the question is, how do you all feel ? and once again i want to here from our host on his feelings !

working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.