Next Wave CNC Shark and Other Models

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Sorry but this may come across as more of a rant than a review.   If you do not want to read my rant read the background and skip to the summary but the rant section lays the foundation for my review.  

Background

I am using one of their older 24x24" Next Wave (NW) Shark HD3 models (current top of line model are HD5) and I have managed to make it work well for me but not without limitations.  To some degree, that is expected with hobby CNC machines.   I actually bought mine cheap at a garage sale in 2019, IIRC.  It had been assembled and setup but never used or registered and the guy had spent probably over $1200 on accessories, bits and a Rockler stand.  I basically got everything for the price of the accessories.  What a deal.  I couldn't pass it up as I had been thinking about a CNC and even building one but this was a quicker, cheaper option to dip a toe into the water that required little technical knowledge.  I had seen their machines in Woodcraft and Rockler so thought it would be good enough for a first machine.  When I called NW to register the serial number (required to make it work), the guy told me that it had never been registered before.  I think that the HD5 series had just come out replacing the HD4 series so the guy was very surprised to get a first time registration on an HD3.   Even though I had a generally positive experience using the machine, I have always had mixed reviews about the Next Wave CNC (formerly NW Automation) hardware and software approach but that has finally hit the wall for me; hence, my following rant.  

First the good

In the interest of full disclosure, I have actually had a pretty good experience with the machine.  For a beginner, the NW approach provides a simple way to get started without diving into tons of mechanical, electronics and software configuration details.  That is not to say that there isn't a learning curve, especially on the software and design side but they definitely lower some of the hurdles that some more advanced platforms may require.  The smartest thing that they did was include the basic version of  Vectric Vcarve Desktop which is an industry leader for basic 2.5D design with some 3D carving capabilities built in so for most beginners at least, it will give you most of what you think you want to do with a CNC with no more software investment.  By watching online tutorials and YouTube gurus, and using free or purchased clip art or even designing your own 3D objects in another CAD program, you can pretty much 3D carve anything within the limits of the machine.  One of the first tests I did was to carve a 3D fish using free clip-art provided with Vcarve.   Vcarve is fairly easy to learn, has tons of  online tutorials, both by Vectric and 3rd parties, and is well supported by the company and its online forums (more about forums in the worse section).  There is hardly (never?) a week where there isn't something new posted by Vectric or a 3rd party YouTuber.  VCarve is worthy of separate 5 star review, though there is plenty of good info about them all over the internet so you probably do not need my impressions about them other than what I stated above.   I only mention it here because it is part of the turnkey solution and without it,  NW CNC would not exist and is largely why I was able to be successful with it.  

The NW Shark CNC machines comes partially assembled and only  requires fairly simple final assembly, and cable hookups.  The HD models are fairly large and bulky and is best done with two people but they have smaller footprint machines that can probably be handled alone.  The instructions are concise and easy to follow, largely because they did enough of the assembly upfront so that all that is left is simple.  The assembly required is largely due to shipping constraints.   The older model that I have uses a PC to run the CAM process using a USB cable between the PC and the machine's control  box and as long as you have a good USB connection it works as it should.   They actually do have an upgrade path that allows you to use a new medallion based  control unit  ($500 when in stock) similar to the ones on their latest machines that eliminates the PC connection and you just use USB drives to transfer the Gcode to the control box.   I considered the medallion upgrade but for reasons below, will no longer.  

  /*begin rant */  

The NOT so good-- Proprietary Platform

From the beginning,  my biggest complaint has been that they use a 100% proprietary hardware approach.  First, you cannot use the machine without registering the machine's serial number with their proprietary PC control box and CAM software through their website.  This makes no sense other than proprietary control as I doubt that it would even be possible to use their CAM software on another makers' control box.  It is supposed to be seamless via the internet but that didn't work for some reason so they had to email me some files to import manually.  Their phone support (back in 2019 at least) was easy to reach and it didn't take too long.  The CS tech was smart enough to ask about other accessories because I also had to register them with the control software to make them work.  The guy I bought from had purchased a touch plate accessory which is basically just a small hunk of aluminum and a speaker cable that plugs into existing ports on the control box but it won't work if you do not have the serial number you get when you purchased it (so do not lose it).    BTW, that $10-15 hunk of aluminum and $7 headphone jack with banana connector costs $120 on their website today, plus another $8 for an an extension you may need because the original cable may not be long enough depending upon where you place your control box.  Again, registration for the touch plate should have worked through the internet but also required them to give me special codes for me to enter manually.   When registering, the CS guy gave me a complimentary registration for their $100 virtual zero "add on" that is supposed to compensate for non-flat materials, like warped plywood for example but the couple of times I used it, actually made the toolpaths worse.  The registration basically just unlocks the code (a button on the screen) in the Windows control software.  Pretty crappy if you ask me.  Apparently, the complimentary add-on was just for a year and I got registration errors every time I started the control software after that.  Nice!  The guy I bought it from also had an add on circuit board for a 4th dimension rotary axis that came with a registration number but CS guy would not allow me to register it without actually having an NW rotary axis (and its registration number).  This must have been to prevent me from buying a 3rd party 4th axis for much less (about half less now) than they charge.  All of their accessories are priced based upon proprietary dependency usually resulting in double and sometimes approaching triple the cost to buy comparable stuff.  The goal is to keep it turnkey but also to sell at high prices.  They usually provide a few things that make their accessories easier to install and setup, eliminating most of the research and knowledge required to use a 3rd party solutions and I would be willing  to pay for those things in many cases but not at double or close to triple to avoid having to cut a cable to length and solder a few cable connections for example.  The real issue is being locked to their expensive proprietary options. 

The (maybe) Even Worse

The proprietary upgrades have always been something that I have warned others about but what prompted my rant today is that Next Wave shut down their online support forum about a week or so ago as of this writing.  The forum was always pretty lame and it could take weeks or even months for anyone to respond which lead to me not seeing a response because after a week of no responses and sometimes even no views, I would not go back myself for months.  I did get a couple of good answers over the years but they were usually too late to be useful.   I attempted every now and then to contribute by answering a few ignored questions myself.  I think I helped a couple of people but with so little activity, I stopped checking in as well and in some cases, probably due to getting no response until I bothered to, never got an acknowledgement that they even saw it much less a thanks, or follow up questions.     

I would not be surprised if spammers were at least contributing factor responsible for their decision to pull the plug on their forum.  I am sure that it had become a nuisance to clean up all of the spam because they were not willing to invest in verification and other blocking techniques needed.  I actually didn't visit enough to actually see the spam myself but I saw posts about it.  Frankly there wasn't much of it there when I was there right before the shutdown, so this is purely speculation on my part.   Between hosting costs, the cost of having an employee of a small company try to monitor and clean spam when needed and then having such a small user base, there probably weren't enough volunteer moderators to make it practical or cost effective to keep the forum operating.  The forum was hosted using the generic and free phpBB software that I am sure that most of you have seen.  Nothing special but it works and once you are familiar works pretty much the same everywhere it is used.  Frankly, I think that the real issue is that Next Wave did not support the forum.  I never saw someone tagged as an employee moderator answer questions or comment so they basically just relied on others to support their product forum, though admittedly, I could have missed those with my limited use of their forum.  I am sure the easy questions I asked could been been easily answered if someone from the company had just checked in at least once a week but never were.  I am not sure that they even posted company announcements on the forum (other than a few days notice about the shut down) but since it is shut down now I cannot verify that.  I certainly never went there looking for annoucements.  It wasn't spam or lack of interest by users that caused the forum to die on the vine.  It was absolute neglect by Next Wave.    

Rocker also hosts (hosted) the SharkTalk forum, which looks like they may have launched around the time they started selling NW CNC machines (2010?).  It also runs (ran) on the phpBB platform.  It has (maybe "had" by the time you read this) a better user base, much better than the NW official forum anyway.  It often took days to get a response, if there was going to be one, but there was some regular activity and some useful information, including new product announcements and other related things from Rockler.  I do not know for sure but I would assume that Rockler probably provided a lot of the initial support through the forum, at least until they had built up a "regular" user base.   When I visited lately, there were some regulars on the site answering a few questions and a couple of volunteer moderators talking about how much spam they had cleaned off the forum lately.  I tried to contribute a few times over the years but the site is pretty lightly traveled and since CNC was not the main thing I do, was not a constant area of concentration for me.  A day after the NW forum shut down, I noticed that Rockler announced they were closing SharkTalk on 3/14/25.   I am writing this on 3/16/25 and it is still working but they have removed all attachments and images and prevent new posts from adding new attachments so even if they closed it just for future posting, any useful attachments are gone, including one that was trying to get to based upon a web search.  The timing of Rockler shutting down their forum just days after they shut down the official NW one reeks of NW pulling their funding and support.    Not a good sign for a viable small company.  It would be different if they announced a future strategy going forward but the did not.  Just the shut down.  

The reason that I decided to rant now is that I decided a few weeks ago to upgrade my HD 3 from using a single warp speed Porter Cable Router to a water cooled spindle with VFD to give me more control of feeds and speeds and to seriously lower the noise level during long running jobs (I have a big experimental project planned).  The HD3 control box does not support anything but turning the router on and off so I went looking for information.  Along the way, that lead me back to the NW and Rockler forums only to find that they were both shutting down within days.   To use a full Next Wave supported solution I was also contemplating upgrading to their new medallion based control box that supported to their proprietary kit that includes a 3HP 2.2kw/110v  spindle, cooling system and 13amp VFD/inverter that allows software speed control but the total cost started looking closer to $1500-1800 by buying everything from Next wave.  Note that the math math on the specs doesn't appear to work for 2.2kw at 110v for most people.  If I did the math right, that calculates a max draw of 20 amps even without the VFD overhead, control box cooling solution and stepper motors.  That probably means you need at least 25 amps which generally means a  30 amp 110v circuit.  No way you will get full 3HP on the advertised the 15 amps circuit stated in the specs.  Interestingly, the last question I answered on the Sharktalk forum was that his new 3hp spindle only measures at 7 amps at full speed, though probably not under load.  I explained the math as I understand it and told him to call NW for clarification because the forum is shutting down.  (Of course if they shut Rockler's Shark talk down before he returns, he will never see my response.)  But I digress as rants often do.  Even if I had upgraded just the control box for $500, their "3HP"  spindle kit is another $1000-1200, depending upon options and if you do not buy  theirs, sticking with their proprietary approach, I assume that you cannot register a 3rd party spindle to enable software control so I might as well stick with my old HD3 control box.   

Aside: So going the independent route, so far I am at about $600-700 into the cost of a 240v 2.2kw spindle  with VFD kit and a much more robust cooling system.  That includes some peripheral upgrades like larger drag chains to accommodate water lines and heavy duty shielded spindle control cables.  That cost does not count other electrical shop upgrades to get a 240v circuit to that part of my shop but a 110v solution would not give me the full power of a 3HP spindle either.  My unregistered solution does not allow software control of RPM or even simply turning the spindle on and off (though I have what think is a $10 solution for the on/off issue using relays and capabilities of the VFD) but I will be able to manage the power and speed manually at the start of a job.  If I do decide I want the software speed control.  I have found solid 3rd party control boxes that would provide that for less than $500, including upgraded stepper motors, finally uncoupling me 100% from their proprietary model and leapfrogging capabilities such as adding limit switches, 4th D rotary axes, auto zeroing and other now standard capabilities of most modern CNC machines available for hobby use, some which are not possible with the even their HD5.    Kind of a no brainer.  

The final trigger for me is that as I was doing research, I realized that the cables for the touch plate were frayed and could cause a failure when setting the Z heights.  I considered just making a new cable using cheap parts from Amazon (probably less than $10) but decided to give a small business a break and order their way too expensive cables (more like 4 times more on this one).  The order was entered, the charge showed up on my card the next day and then nothing for 2 weeks:  no email order confirmation, no shipping notifications, no deliveries -- just silence...and no forum to ask if this was normal for them.  I used their online support request tool today (it is a weekend so they are closed and not answering the phone) and did get an auto email response so we will see what happens there.  Anyway, Good bye Next Wave CNC.  Unless my support response turns out to be to just cancel my order, it will be the last business I do with them.  

/* End rant*/  

Summary**

I give Next Wave CNC a 2-Star Rating.   I initially started writing thinking that this a 1-star review because I am pretty angry about the forums, cost of proprietary upgrades and lack of communication regarding my recent purchase.  After writing the "good section" above, I realized that for a beginner who isn't like me and likes to dive into the gory details or afraid to make technical upgrades and because NW include the Vectric software for the purchase price, they deserve a 1 star upgrade.  As a newbie, I appreciated the lower tech startup and good software and that is what newbies need.  It was a good exercise to run through what I initially liked about my purchase (besides the great deal I got when I bought it).    I have used it successfully for over 5 years it is obviously not all bad.  

My goal here is not to trash the company, even though I probably talked some trash during my rant.  I have gotten questions about my machine over the years and have considered writing a review about their proprietary approach.  My goal is to help others see what they need to know before investing some hard earned cabbage into what may become an expensive and limited path forward.  They need to know that while the entry point may be cheaper than other hobby machines, the proprietary nature locks you into an expensive path if you want to expand or upgrade.  They need to know that it is a small company, which I actually like, but the proprietary approach creates a huge risk should  they not survive for whatever reason.  Even if your machine works just fine, selling it to someone else who cannot  register it with an out of business company may render it useless at some point without replacing all of the electronics on the machine.  For me, shutting down their forums is a red flag that makes me wonder about the viability of the company and considering the proprietary nature of the their business model is a significant risk.  Glitches and radio silence of my recent order just serve to reinforce my concern.  

For a relatively turnkey solution for a basic CNC setup, it has and may continue to be any easy entry point for beginners but if you want affordable expandability, upgrades and accessories and the ability to make your own upgrades, this may not be the way to go.   The proprietary nature of their platform is just too much of a risk to take in my opinion.  Heck, they could still be strong and viable but just clueless about optics but that is also not something I have want to worry about.  I need affordability and flexibility.  

**I will be happy to correct any misinformation or misunderstanding that comes to my attention.  

--Nathan, TX. Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

This is the type of review I really like, details and opinion on whats what.👍

I really don't like proprietary stuff. It's "ok" when it is for some special function not offered on other machines and is actually useful (worth the extra cash), but as you say, they can really go too far and limit the potential.
Good for "turnkey" where you just want to make something, but horrible for evolution.

I keep eyeballing these type machines and certainly the Sharks are heavily advertised,   but now I'm a lot better informed (big thanks!)

Personally I'd love to find a mechanical unit like that for cheap and just strip away all the voodoo and install a more generic controller. These have become very common and even more modular with interchangeable  motor drivers so 
upgrades are simply a matter of swapping in a higher current driver for any bigger motors or items like your new spindle.
Once you have a G-code frontend with all the tunables available in the driver, I think the options for producing stuff is 
unlimited with the rapidly evolving world of development software tools.
Thanks.  I have been thinking about reviewing Next Wave's proprietary setup for a while because I get asked about the machine and I hesitate to recommend it because  it is so expensive to stay in their ecosystem and impossible to step outside it for even minor upgrades or additions.  Their recent shut down of the only dedicated forums for their products triggered me to act (and react).   Rockler's forum is still online a day or two after the deadline and I have posted both humorous and scathing promises post on other venues my opinions (above is the first).  I (mostly) jokingly posted this morning (probably just screaming into the wind) on the dying Sharktalk forum about creating a SharkTalk anonymous forum for disgruntled Shark owners who want to decouple from Next Wave's proprietary setup and share ideas on how to do that.  I actually think that could become a thing, if I was interested in managing a forum and the costs associated with hosting and managing it.  The easiest approach might be to create a Facebook group. 

When I started looking into upgrading to a spindle, I did a couple of quick local Craigslist and FB Marketplace searches to see if it would just be easier to sell my machine and buy something more robust and expandable (but probably much more expensive).  The 2nd hand market for these things seemed to be pretty low so if you keep your eyes open, you may find a 2nd hand machine cheap enough that you can justify some significant upgrades should you decide to evolve the machine.  You may even stumble upon one that already has the specs you want to start with for half or less than buying a new one.   That approach could be little frustrating if you are  not the type to dig into the details and fix or upgrade things as you go but for a hobby, that can sometimes actually be part  of the fun.  

--Nathan, TX. Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

Great review Nathan.  Exactly the kind of thing I would want to read if I was considering buying one.  They seem to have adopted a large corporate approach as a small business.  IMO something like this RELIES on tinkerers being able to tinker and forum/social media support from users and the company to support it.

I can see the walled garden approach for wanting to provide super reliable, plug and play experIence for new users.  But, if that’s what you’re aiming to provide and if you’re doing it at the cost of being able to modify it or use third part accessories or software, you better darn well provide that experience and make it accessible.  One of the main reasons I opted for the Ender for my first 3D printer was all of the online community for tinkering.  I’d want the same if I was buying a CNC so I imagine  Next Wave is off my possibilities list if/when I do start shopping.
Thanks Kenny, that is exactly why I posted it.  

The more I think about it, if you are a tinkerer, researcher and trouble shooter by nature.  Buying a 2nd hand CNC could be a really good place to start.  You can probably find some good bones pretty cheap, especially from someone who bought one and never really used it and is ready to clear some space in their shop.  With good bones, you can avoid the start up and design steps to building one from scratch and concentrate your cash and time on the electronics, software and other upgrades.  For the price of a new turnkey solution, you may be able to create a machine with a more flexible and extendible base should you decide you want to.  BTW, if you do look into buying a 2nd hand NW machine for example, make sure you ask about the software stack such as Vcarve.  If they are just replacing the machine with something new, they may be keeping their license but I think that they can transfer the Vcarve license one time as long as they do not try to retain it.  Vectric website should have the rules on license transfers.  

There are some good CNC forums out there but I have not looked to see if any of them have areas devoted to the sort of upgrade path I am going down.  I think I will look to see if there are any forums or FB groups that focus on bypassing  the Next Wave confinements through upgrades.  If not, I may see what it would take to start one.  Not really sure how to get the word out but I posted some of my frustration with NW on the excellent Vectric forum I titled "So Long Next Wave" and got a couple of responses about posting about how my new upgrade direction goes.   Perhaps I will just see about starting a couple of threads over there as a starting point.  NW is a customer for Vectric as every machine they sell comes with a Vcarve license so I am sure that they would not want to host a whole sub-forum on how to bypass them but I doubt that they would discourage some honest sharing about here's how I did it or questions related to it.  

We will see, but I plan to do some blogs about my current CNC activities.  My current upgrade rabbit hole started when a buddy asked me if I would interested in trying to make him an Alphorn.  I like a good (comical) challenge so I said I will look into it.   Not wanting to hand carve a 10' long trumpet the traditional way out of a tree that was growing out of the side of a mountain, I developed a segmented design I can cut in sections on my CNC that will make it possible to transport without a truck and I have used the CNC to do sort of a proof of concept.  It is all experimental and my not work at all but the CAD design working so far but it definitely is pushing the limits of my machine.  The loud, long running jobs with long bits will eventually burn out my fixed (warp) speed PC router, so I decided it was time to finally look into a variable speed, water cooled spindle upgrade.  My wife will be happy if I can just keep the noise down while the TV is on too as my shop is just on the other side of the wall from the TV.  She doesn't usually complain about my shop expenditures but she did express relief when I made some changes that lowered the CNC noise on one of my long running jobs.  I have the spindle installed and was able to run it at full speed for a few minutes just to make sure that electrical connections and the VFD are working and it is unbelievably quiet, while it is not cutting anyway.  You can actually hear the small cooling fan on the VFD running when the spindle is running at 24k RPM.  

Hopefully, I will have more fun with CNC postings to come.  

--Nathan, TX. Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

Looking gorward to reading about it Nathan.  Who knows, I may decide I need an Alphorn!
Ricola!


--Nathan, TX. Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

I just had some great ideas for forum names if I decide to create a forum, FB group or whateever for anyone wanting to share ideas for decoupling from the Next Wave proprietary ecosystem:

Jump the Shark   (I like the Happy Days reference)
Jump the Sharktalk ( Happy days and a dig at the NW/Rockler soon to be closed forum)
Junk the Sharktalk   (probably the most accurate with more subtle reference to the Happy Days and the forum)

--Nathan, TX. Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

Sheesh!  I got an email reply from NW customer service that they are waiting for a shipment of the replacement touch plate cables from their suppliers.  They didn't have a problem charging me right away and not providing an email for the order confirmation though.  I emailed back that unless it shipped today, to just cancel my order.  At least their support guy seems to be pretty responsive.  

--Nathan, TX. Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

I also I decided to follow up through their online CS form about the disconnect I see in their specs related to running a 2.2kw/ 3HP spindle on a 110v 15 amp circuit.  Below is the reply (my question is at the very bottom).    I could be wrong but my take away is that the performance of their 2.2kw/3HP spindle and their  1.2kw/2HP spindle are basically going to be about the same.  About the only benefit really is the larger ER20 collet that the 2.2kw model has that allows you to use 1/2" shank bits.  Other than that, it sounds like they expect both of them to top out around 7amps (just over 1/3 the theoretical max of 2.2kw) which keeps them within the 10 amp fuse limit and below the requirements for a 15 amp circuit breaker for the entire system.   Maybe my expectations of power utilization is too high for the sort of CNC jobs I create but I can certainly hear my 11 amp rated PC router strain at times.   I suppose that approach makes sense for a beginner level machine. You may blow the fuse before a bad tool path causes the machine to try to cut itself apart.   Lowest common denominator approach -- but at the highest cost.

 My final response was a suggestion that he should ask his marketing guys to publish the expected power utilization. not just the theoretical ones on their spindle options. 

NW CS Response:

Support Steve (Next Wave CNC) 
Mar 17, 2025, 3:55 PM EDT 

Hello******,
     The 2.2KW VFD/spindle motor has the potential to output 2.2Kw of power. You are correct the a 20 Amp outlet/breaker would be needed (minimum) to achieve the full output of 2.2KW.  The output power is a designed maximum, the actual output is dependent on the load on the motor.   In the CNC application on our machines there is not a situation where all 2.2Kw would or even could be used.
     The supplier we use categorizes their products by Kw and we do as well because that is the maximum potential power that the VFD can output.  We do not regulate the power output nor the RPM of the VFD's.  The 13 Amp number is the maximum amperage draw of the 1.2KW spindle VFD system and is a typo in the 2.2Kw text (thank you for bringing this to our attention).
     The Shark Talk post you referenced is probably correct even under a typical load while carving.  Our HD machines are fused to 10 Amps when running a router so with a spindle motor/VFD our machines in typical use will not draw more than 10 Amps, meaning under normal use the 2.2KW VFD/Spindle motor does not use 2.2KW to operate.   
     The primary advantage to the 2.2Kw VFD/spindle system is the ER20 collet size so that 1/2" shank bits can be used.  The 1.2Kw spindle motor cannot accept 1/2" shaft bits.
Should you have any further questions please feel free to contact us.
 
 
     
Next Wave CNC Tech Support 



My initial question:
I am looking at the specs for your 3hp water cooled spindles and am confused by the numbers.  


The page to purchase as an upgrade says it is a 3HP/2.2kw 24000 RPM spindle and plugs into a standard outlet requiring a 110v AC 15 amp circuit.  It also says that the inverter (VFD?) is rated at 13 amps.  Just doing the basic math (Watts/Volts = Amps) yields 20 amps to achieve a 2.2kw power.  Obviously, you have to leave room for other amperage overhead for the control box/medallion with its power supply for the stepper motors under the 15 amp circuit max so I assume that is where the 13 amp VFD number comes from?  


How is it possible to achieve 2.2kw on a 15 amp circuit?  It seems misleading (frankly fraudulent) because your numbers are technically impossible without tripping the 15 amp breaker at full power so you must be using settings in the VFD to limit the amps to the motor (and possibly also the max RPM).  I recently saw a post on the soon (literally any minute) to be shut down Sharktalk forum saying that they see the entire machine only pulling 7 amps when they run it.  They may have just been running the spindle without cutting which will draw less power but that that is a far cry from 13 much less 15 amps and nowhere near the 2.2kw number.  Even if you have configured the complete system to max out at 15 amps, a long running job at the breaker's max will often eventually trip a breaker so without configuration that keeps the max well below the stated 15 amp requirement, it seems a little sketchy to me.  


What are the actual specs one would see while in use at max power.  


 

--Nathan, TX. Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.