I have a few of their closeout tools too Dave. I believe they are leftover stock from Sculpture House. They are good steel and good forging but definitely have no edge at all. And on the ones I bought, the handles were crap. But the prices are good enough that even if they were unhandled it would have been a good deal. Most of the common sizes are sold out on a lot of the styles but there are still definitely some useful tools left and you can get three or four for the price of one Pfeil or Ashley Iles.